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cesperanza: Learn Something New, not worksafe.
cottontail73: As The Stars Fade Out. Actually, you could probably read this at work. The kissing is described, the rest isn't explicit.
Pimping a challenge:
The darkside challenge, open to gen, het and slash at![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-community.gif)
dark_gate, looks amazing, and it was apparently spurred by this discussion of the domino effect within the team of going darkside. As people are musing about it in posts, though, talking about what a darkside character would do, how they would get there, I'm reminded of the discussions of non-con, and the recs I made for PTSD aftermath fics. I also recced a couple of just darkside-ish fics to princessofg yesterday, and it's bringing me to a long-brewing meta on trauma, pain, flesh wounds and the timescales of healing.
It's completely tangential to the darkside discussion, but hey.
Because healing and recovery are fade to black things on screen, and I think part of what gets my goat about insubstantial non-con fics is that the author seems to be unnecessarily escalating the hurt just to validate the comfort which might reasonably be explained by some much less complicated trauma than rape.
So, for the record, if a person receives a flesh wound that really isn't going to slow them down, but might look reasonably bad to onlookers, you'd probably be talking about a gash or a laceration that is restricted to the outer layers of the skin. Heads and hands and feet bleed a lot more than you'd think a given wound is likely to. Feet and legs have a bit less circulation, and can take a long time to heal or scar over; also if you don't elevate the wound, it'll keep bleeding for a long time in that part of the body. There are arteries in the upper arm (on the inside, just under the bicep) which, when pressed, will minimize circulation to an arm if bleeding isn't slowing with compression and elevation. There is also an artery in the upper leg, in the soft crease between the thigh and stomach, just under the hip bone. It's named the femoral artery, for it's proximity to the femur bone. Pressing this artery with the heel of your hand will slow circulation to the legs in the event of a determined bleeder, and the position is fairly intimate (one's fingers would be rather near the groin area, which takes trust.) That's sort of a sexy wound treatment.
Anything deeper than the surface skin (deeper than, say, a bite wound from an animal's canine teeth less than an inch long, provided there's no tearing) isn't just going to bleed a lot and look bad, it's going to bleed dangerously and refuse to be stabilized without surgery to sew the separated bits back together and tie off severed veins, etc. Even then, a deep puncture (like a spear wound) will need resting, if in a particularly mobile part of the body, and any tugs to the area will most likely be hella distracting to the patient.
On the upside, an actively bleeding wound is clean of bacteria: movement is all outwards, there isn't a chance for bugs and viruses to climb in. You still want to stop the bleeding, of course, but with sterile bandages so the wound stays uninfected, and that's why you don't have to wash a bleeding wound first. I've always wondered if anyone ever considered bacterial infections on other worlds and how they differ. For the record, my opinion is that bacteria might evolve slightly differently (STDs are sort of a first world problem, after all, and most Goa'uld influenced planets had their development to that stage stunted, poor things) but they would be essentially the same except they would be free of antibiotic resistance, so drugs like penicillin would be effective again, until the bugs got home and had a chance to mutate, of course.
Wounds like broken bones or various other internal injuries, even if not open or compound, are really dangerous in their own right. Broken bones hurt and bleed internally. A broken femur (thigh bone) is immediately life threatening because it's a weight bearing bone. Others you can splint and immobilize; your victim will be in pain and deeply uncomfortable, to the point of distraction and inability to do anything else, but it will be a lot worse if that bone isn't stabilized (every movement will cause lots, and I mean lots, more pain). Fractures are good for a while like this, but breaks that need to be set need attention before the bone starts healing incorrectly, or the patient faces it being re-broken or a permanent limp/loss of function in a worse case scenario. And that's a clean break. Any shattering of bone? Multiple fractures or breaks that need to be set? Surgery required ASAP. Probably pins to align the bone fragments and hold them in place, possibly a plate if the bone is wide like a skull or scapula (shoulder blade) or pelvis (but that would really impede future sexcapades for a long time, so Not Sexy Injury).
Now, there are other kinds of injury that can be substantial and surprising. Dehydration, for example. Just a little distraction, failure to notice thirst (the thirst mechanism isn't enough, anyway, most people are chronically mildly dehydrated) and an unusual situation or two, like traveling or medication, could cause a person to pass out, get dizzy or even throw up, which is really surprising in a healthy person. Upside is that a reasonably first aid trained and alert companion would get them some water and they would recover really pretty snappily. Burns, if they are bad, require some plastic surgery care sometimes, and infection prevention a lot. Burns to a substantial portion of the skin can be life threatening, and burns are some of the most painful injuries ever. There are NERVES in the skin, and when nerves are burned, they scream.
The most alarming injuries to me are nerve based, because there isn't a lot that can be done. Chronic back pain, for example, is easily caused and difficult to fix. A trauma (sudden injury) might be treated with immobilization to wait for the inflammation to go down and hope that's enough, but a patient is effectively helpless during that time and the potential that the problem won't fix itself is frightening in it's implications. A patient would not be released from nursing care in that instance, he wouldn't be transported in a way that would compromise the spine, likely, if the injury was bad. On the mild side, it might be just an annoyance that wouldn't compromise movement (wait and see approach, with icing and rest), or, alternatively, muscle spasms might knock a patient out for days at a time, requiring some medications, care and help, but allow for full recovery once the spasm was over (very like a cramp in your calf: hurts liek hell, but when it's over, it's over.) If that were all it was, you could let a patient go home, as long as they lived with someone who could take care of them. Folks are not cute when they're in that much pain, though. They hurt. They snap. They feel helpless and guilty and bored and hurt. Nursing care is difficult.
Which is not to say that a fic writer needs to write in every doctors consult, but I'm just saying that even small injuries have large impacts. If you were wanting to write psychological trauma, consider fears, consider taking a life, seeing the face of someone dying, *failure*, or success leading to overlooking something else... all these things could have enormous existential consequences for a given character, especially if they'd defined themselves by a parameter that is being challenged.
I'd also encourage fic writers to consider that injuries, trauma, recovery, failures, disappointments and the like build up over time. A character could snap and go darkside over something that appeared small at the time, but was the last straw. *koff*TEAL'C*koff*
There are sexy injuries, though. Injuries that require small mercies, that you can't do yourself and require other people to do for you: taping gauze over a cleaned wound, for example, or someone looking in your eyes for pupil dialation or feeling your skin for a fever. Touching is addictive and people need to trust you before they'll let you near an injury they are twitchy about, so if you're caring for them, you might start feeling around farther away from the site of the suspected injury so the person relaxes and gets used to your touch before you deliberately hurt them to find out how bad it is.
And remember that Kolya and his minions are not master torturers. Cameron is much better at breaking Teal'c than any other person has ever been, right? The really good (?) torturers wouldn't risk killing a valuable person by letting a wraith feed on them. Nor would they try to physically break a person or let them slide into escape (like sleep or unconsciousness or numbness). They are out for the psychology of it; they want your mind active and seeking a way out of the situation. What I've read of torture indicates sleep deprivation, pulling fingernails, water torture, consistent small hurts, or threats to someone else to appeal to their compassion... not broken bones and destroyed knees. That's poor technique, and impatience and crass behavior. Not characteristic of evil races that habitually use energy stunning weapons that (conveniently) leave no marks and leave you whole and functional afterwards, although there's fanwank in them thar subjects.
I've always wondered if there were cumulative effects of ribbon devices, or zats, or lingering symptoms of sarcophagus use that don't fade over time, or if naquada could ultimately act like heavy metal poisoning in a person's blood... Somebody write me that story?
All of which is to say, injuries hurt, even little ones that the show never let us see effect the characters and didn't last the week to the next episode. I might suggest that exploiting the subtleties of pain or fear would be a much more novel and often entirely appropriate way of exploring character than resorting to sexual violence purely as a way of showing the seriousness of the hurt.
Of course, write what you want to write (caveat caveat). I'm just sayin'.
Seems to be the meta-ing hour in my head, asrydra_wong is collecting another round of fantastic posts and discussions about race and discussion and people's egotistical and defensive reactions to same, even when their personal racism or lack thereof is completely beside the point... but I think it might just inform what I'm writing at the moment, as I tend to get sarcastic about the loadedness of the race question and the white inability to discuss the topic and not our intentions. Maybe I can say what I want to say a little more subtley another way, without, you know, resorting to satirical verbal bitch-slapping.
cesperanza: Learn Something New, not worksafe.cottontail73: As The Stars Fade Out. Actually, you could probably read this at work. The kissing is described, the rest isn't explicit.Pimping a challenge:
The darkside challenge, open to gen, het and slash at
dark_gate, looks amazing, and it was apparently spurred by this discussion of the domino effect within the team of going darkside. As people are musing about it in posts, though, talking about what a darkside character would do, how they would get there, I'm reminded of the discussions of non-con, and the recs I made for PTSD aftermath fics. I also recced a couple of just darkside-ish fics to princessofg yesterday, and it's bringing me to a long-brewing meta on trauma, pain, flesh wounds and the timescales of healing. It's completely tangential to the darkside discussion, but hey.
Because healing and recovery are fade to black things on screen, and I think part of what gets my goat about insubstantial non-con fics is that the author seems to be unnecessarily escalating the hurt just to validate the comfort which might reasonably be explained by some much less complicated trauma than rape.
So, for the record, if a person receives a flesh wound that really isn't going to slow them down, but might look reasonably bad to onlookers, you'd probably be talking about a gash or a laceration that is restricted to the outer layers of the skin. Heads and hands and feet bleed a lot more than you'd think a given wound is likely to. Feet and legs have a bit less circulation, and can take a long time to heal or scar over; also if you don't elevate the wound, it'll keep bleeding for a long time in that part of the body. There are arteries in the upper arm (on the inside, just under the bicep) which, when pressed, will minimize circulation to an arm if bleeding isn't slowing with compression and elevation. There is also an artery in the upper leg, in the soft crease between the thigh and stomach, just under the hip bone. It's named the femoral artery, for it's proximity to the femur bone. Pressing this artery with the heel of your hand will slow circulation to the legs in the event of a determined bleeder, and the position is fairly intimate (one's fingers would be rather near the groin area, which takes trust.) That's sort of a sexy wound treatment.
Anything deeper than the surface skin (deeper than, say, a bite wound from an animal's canine teeth less than an inch long, provided there's no tearing) isn't just going to bleed a lot and look bad, it's going to bleed dangerously and refuse to be stabilized without surgery to sew the separated bits back together and tie off severed veins, etc. Even then, a deep puncture (like a spear wound) will need resting, if in a particularly mobile part of the body, and any tugs to the area will most likely be hella distracting to the patient.
On the upside, an actively bleeding wound is clean of bacteria: movement is all outwards, there isn't a chance for bugs and viruses to climb in. You still want to stop the bleeding, of course, but with sterile bandages so the wound stays uninfected, and that's why you don't have to wash a bleeding wound first. I've always wondered if anyone ever considered bacterial infections on other worlds and how they differ. For the record, my opinion is that bacteria might evolve slightly differently (STDs are sort of a first world problem, after all, and most Goa'uld influenced planets had their development to that stage stunted, poor things) but they would be essentially the same except they would be free of antibiotic resistance, so drugs like penicillin would be effective again, until the bugs got home and had a chance to mutate, of course.
Wounds like broken bones or various other internal injuries, even if not open or compound, are really dangerous in their own right. Broken bones hurt and bleed internally. A broken femur (thigh bone) is immediately life threatening because it's a weight bearing bone. Others you can splint and immobilize; your victim will be in pain and deeply uncomfortable, to the point of distraction and inability to do anything else, but it will be a lot worse if that bone isn't stabilized (every movement will cause lots, and I mean lots, more pain). Fractures are good for a while like this, but breaks that need to be set need attention before the bone starts healing incorrectly, or the patient faces it being re-broken or a permanent limp/loss of function in a worse case scenario. And that's a clean break. Any shattering of bone? Multiple fractures or breaks that need to be set? Surgery required ASAP. Probably pins to align the bone fragments and hold them in place, possibly a plate if the bone is wide like a skull or scapula (shoulder blade) or pelvis (but that would really impede future sexcapades for a long time, so Not Sexy Injury).
Now, there are other kinds of injury that can be substantial and surprising. Dehydration, for example. Just a little distraction, failure to notice thirst (the thirst mechanism isn't enough, anyway, most people are chronically mildly dehydrated) and an unusual situation or two, like traveling or medication, could cause a person to pass out, get dizzy or even throw up, which is really surprising in a healthy person. Upside is that a reasonably first aid trained and alert companion would get them some water and they would recover really pretty snappily. Burns, if they are bad, require some plastic surgery care sometimes, and infection prevention a lot. Burns to a substantial portion of the skin can be life threatening, and burns are some of the most painful injuries ever. There are NERVES in the skin, and when nerves are burned, they scream.
The most alarming injuries to me are nerve based, because there isn't a lot that can be done. Chronic back pain, for example, is easily caused and difficult to fix. A trauma (sudden injury) might be treated with immobilization to wait for the inflammation to go down and hope that's enough, but a patient is effectively helpless during that time and the potential that the problem won't fix itself is frightening in it's implications. A patient would not be released from nursing care in that instance, he wouldn't be transported in a way that would compromise the spine, likely, if the injury was bad. On the mild side, it might be just an annoyance that wouldn't compromise movement (wait and see approach, with icing and rest), or, alternatively, muscle spasms might knock a patient out for days at a time, requiring some medications, care and help, but allow for full recovery once the spasm was over (very like a cramp in your calf: hurts liek hell, but when it's over, it's over.) If that were all it was, you could let a patient go home, as long as they lived with someone who could take care of them. Folks are not cute when they're in that much pain, though. They hurt. They snap. They feel helpless and guilty and bored and hurt. Nursing care is difficult.
Which is not to say that a fic writer needs to write in every doctors consult, but I'm just saying that even small injuries have large impacts. If you were wanting to write psychological trauma, consider fears, consider taking a life, seeing the face of someone dying, *failure*, or success leading to overlooking something else... all these things could have enormous existential consequences for a given character, especially if they'd defined themselves by a parameter that is being challenged.
I'd also encourage fic writers to consider that injuries, trauma, recovery, failures, disappointments and the like build up over time. A character could snap and go darkside over something that appeared small at the time, but was the last straw. *koff*TEAL'C*koff*
There are sexy injuries, though. Injuries that require small mercies, that you can't do yourself and require other people to do for you: taping gauze over a cleaned wound, for example, or someone looking in your eyes for pupil dialation or feeling your skin for a fever. Touching is addictive and people need to trust you before they'll let you near an injury they are twitchy about, so if you're caring for them, you might start feeling around farther away from the site of the suspected injury so the person relaxes and gets used to your touch before you deliberately hurt them to find out how bad it is.
And remember that Kolya and his minions are not master torturers. Cameron is much better at breaking Teal'c than any other person has ever been, right? The really good (?) torturers wouldn't risk killing a valuable person by letting a wraith feed on them. Nor would they try to physically break a person or let them slide into escape (like sleep or unconsciousness or numbness). They are out for the psychology of it; they want your mind active and seeking a way out of the situation. What I've read of torture indicates sleep deprivation, pulling fingernails, water torture, consistent small hurts, or threats to someone else to appeal to their compassion... not broken bones and destroyed knees. That's poor technique, and impatience and crass behavior. Not characteristic of evil races that habitually use energy stunning weapons that (conveniently) leave no marks and leave you whole and functional afterwards, although there's fanwank in them thar subjects.
I've always wondered if there were cumulative effects of ribbon devices, or zats, or lingering symptoms of sarcophagus use that don't fade over time, or if naquada could ultimately act like heavy metal poisoning in a person's blood... Somebody write me that story?
All of which is to say, injuries hurt, even little ones that the show never let us see effect the characters and didn't last the week to the next episode. I might suggest that exploiting the subtleties of pain or fear would be a much more novel and often entirely appropriate way of exploring character than resorting to sexual violence purely as a way of showing the seriousness of the hurt.
Of course, write what you want to write (caveat caveat). I'm just sayin'.
Seems to be the meta-ing hour in my head, as
rydra_wong is collecting another round of fantastic posts and discussions about race and discussion and people's egotistical and defensive reactions to same, even when their personal racism or lack thereof is completely beside the point... but I think it might just inform what I'm writing at the moment, as I tend to get sarcastic about the loadedness of the race question and the white inability to discuss the topic and not our intentions. Maybe I can say what I want to say a little more subtley another way, without, you know, resorting to satirical verbal bitch-slapping.![[identity profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/openid.png){kind=small}
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Date: 2006-09-27 06:11 pm (UTC)Wanna chat about it? *looks hopeful*
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Date: 2006-09-28 01:01 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-09-27 07:11 pm (UTC)having the medical angle covered correctly is so important to plausibility in a h/c story, but you have to, as you say, know what you're doing at least a little. I wrote story once where I gave Jack a concussion and I actually did a little research on what that would be like.... dasha, paian, raqs and janedavitt always seem to know whereof they speak on this subject. but yeah.
i am a sucker for good use of psychologists, too.
and what you say is so true: the shows rarely show us the aftermath of all that. that was one neat thing about "Abyss": it was horrific, but it showed us jack, plausibly, on the verge of breaking. and who wouldn't break under conditions like that? and we got to see just the barest hint of the aftermath of sarcophagus addiction back in "Need", with Daniel as the victim that time. Or for Sam, the aftermath of "The Devil You Know" and the episode where Martouf is killed, just to take two examples. All that would have been incredibly traumatic, even for someone with combat training.
as synecdochic said in that meta on my journal, SG-1 shows us heroes who don't break, though the events of the series WOULD have broken them. So it's great to have fanfic to fill in the gaps.
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Date: 2006-09-27 09:13 pm (UTC)I will forever be bothered by Jack's response to Ba'al when they met up after Abyss. (Reckoning?) They just won't show Jack with his flaws. The can't 'afford' to break the members of SG-1. Thank you fanfic!
When they do have the chance to break a recurring character, they just shoot them. It has shock value, it could be so much more.
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Date: 2006-09-28 01:29 am (UTC)*makes room for you at the group therapy table*
They just won't show Jack with his flaws.
Interestingly, I sorta watch Atlantis because of the mirror to this: they sent only misfits on the expedition, and people without ties, that they could afford to lose. I've heard it described as the show of misfits to SG-1's show of heroes. It's an interesting play.
I miss Janet. And Martouf. And Jacob. *sniff*
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Date: 2006-09-28 02:40 am (UTC)*ready with pen and doodle pad*
Let me introduce myself. I'm totally a J/D junkie. I've just started watching Atlantis, (so be gentle with me) mostly because of LJ and I'm about to lose my steady supply of J/D. Atlantis must be my methadone
misfits?
That's intriguing. Why did Daniel get to go, almost get to go? It will take me a while to catch up on all the characters and flaws.
SG-1=Heroes, I agree to that. They're getting older and worn, my favorite sweater, loose threads, frayed edges and all. That's such a draw for me. I know these people and their flaws. No wonder fanfic exists.
Big-time loss with Janet, dumb writers. Jacob was very cool but the Tok'ra have apparently run their course. Martouf, don't get me started. I liked him-he shoulda been with Carter. I hated the ep where he died. Jack/Sam is eeew, but the writers seem to like continuity when it suits them.
Also, I tend to ramble. Back to sexy wounds.
You can't wound characters too often, we know that. But psychological wounds, ooh. For starters, *gets on my soapbox* Jack should have gone whacko before and/or after he dealt with Ba'al. He's big, bad, tough and human. Heroes can be ordinary, they should be. Who can relate to Superman? I want Jack to react. I want to help Jack, have Daniel help Jack.
Maybe misfits can show flaws and help each other. Apparently heroes can't or won't. At least the writers are trying another angle on Atlantis.(?)
*returns to seat*
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Date: 2006-09-28 05:19 pm (UTC)Daniel and Atlantis... well, Jack wouldn't let him go, would he? Only when they had not only a ZPM for emergencies, but the Daedelus for regular transport and regular communication did Jack (reluctantly) give Daniel the go ahead (and hate every minute of it, but they were on a break and still working out some issues.... I don't think they entirely have given Daniels sort of constant state of pissiness-- omgneedstogetlaid-- but at least they're on the same continent now.)
I love that Daniel is so pissy this season. I digress.
Really, by the time Daniel almost went to Atlantis, the rules changed. Now they were sending all kinds of folks, temporarily and permanently over there. Reassignments and transfers were possible... it's the original expedition who were loners, and misfits, and expendible. John, Rodney, Elizabeth (Simon notwithstanding), Zelenka, Bates, Miko, Carson, the CoC they killed off (no, the other one)... Single, competant, volunteers, kinda odd, mismatched group of people. John was airforce when the expedition took marines... Yeah, misfits. Misfits who now find themselves in command of this big successful thing (mostly) and are sorta stunned that they are still allowed to run it and make such incredible mistakes all the time.
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Date: 2006-09-28 05:41 pm (UTC)I love that Daniel is so pissy this season.
Yes! Maybe there's something wrong, too many ribbonings! *g* But he probably just misses Jack. I sure as hell do.
I will try to watch Atlantis reruns. I appreciate all the info and the welcome.
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Date: 2006-09-29 02:44 am (UTC)it's kind of against my religion to get sucked into a litany of all the ways that canon fails to get the most out of these characters. but suffice it to say that i agree with you that they missed some post-abyss opportunities for jack character development.
and don't get me started on daniel post-fallen!!!
going to my happy place now... :).
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Date: 2006-09-29 02:59 am (UTC)Same here. I've said "Don't get me started" on LJ some many times I should go by the user name - 'Don'tgetmestarted_gate' *g*
(the fic links I posted at your site are fixed)
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Date: 2006-09-28 01:11 am (UTC)dasha, paian, raqs and janedavitt always seem to know whereof they speak
It is amazing that some writers can hand you meticulous detail and it might as well be porn it's so verbally orgiastic. I, on the other hand, feel like sometimes I become a text book, or lay things out a little too plainly, or bash you over the head with my point. I am working on cultivating subtlety atm. I think there's merit to both techniques.
the episode where Martouf is killed
Yeah, but I wanted totally different fallout after that episode. I wanted to see FALLOUT from Sam killing Martouf. Loved the Elliot scene in the Tokra caves where she talked to Lantash. Wanted more of that. Abyss was also good, and need, but there are never any lingering effects--where was Jack's vulnerability/anger/fear when next he saw Ba'al? Does Daniel become reckless about his person now there have been so many instances where he gets to reset to completely healthy? Does he long for permanent scars?
as synecdochic said
Goodness but that woman is something, innit she? So true. And it's not that I get off on breaking them, but that they deserve to be fallible and broken and human (Jaffa) sometimes, and I want them to have that ring of truth and the chance to process and rail.
Signed up for the darkside challenge. I blame yooooooou.
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Date: 2006-09-29 01:43 am (UTC)I read "Witness," by the way, after it was recced, and it is not a fic I enjoy or would read again, although it is written with Kalimyre's reliable gorgeous prose and gorgeous characterization. It just doesn't move or "get" to me in a way that I find appealing. But that's just me; clearly it's an excellent fic and a great example of its genre. It's so intersting to map the terrain of my enjoyment... and as always, YMMV.
I am in total agreement with you that often canon does not let us ponder and participate in the aftermath of trauma. We can always use more. I, too, wanted to see the interactions of Sam with Lantash/Elliot. I thought that was great and very satisfying, and the only thing I wanted but didn't get was for Jack to salute him! In fact, I pencil that in when I remember the ep. It was very good canon angst. And we could use more, in all the ways you describe.
It's helpful for me to learn why H/C is so satisfying to some. I've written it in other fandoms, and once in SG-1, but clearly I have a lot to learn about it. So thanks for all that.
And may I just say? More of Jack reacting to Baal would ALWAYS be welcome in my perverted corner of fandom... I'm just saying....
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Date: 2006-09-28 11:11 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-09-28 02:18 pm (UTC)That would be so tragic and perfect.
I know of two stories of bad stuff happening to that genius brain:
Kalimyre wrote Moon (http://area52hkh.net/ask/kalimyre/moon.php)
Sheryl wrote In the End Is Our Beginning (http://area52hkh.net/ass/sheryl/beginning.php) Based on Learning Curve. I love this one and wish it was longer.
Daniel's beautiful brain. Hurts so good. Go ahead now, write *g*
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Date: 2006-09-28 05:06 pm (UTC)Promise me you'll collect recs in general over the next month when I'm gone so I'll see what new stuff has been posted? *hopes*
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Date: 2006-09-28 05:49 pm (UTC)If there's anything special I'll be sure to let you know though and it'll only be J/D ;-)
When do you go and return?
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Date: 2006-09-28 05:10 pm (UTC)I'd also just love one of those 'we saved the day! Everyone stand up, brush the dirt off your uniform, and lets waltz on home!' only someone is lying there going 'um, I think I pulled a muscle. Can't actually get up.' or "Ow ow ow! SPLINTER!'
Is that too much to ask?
And as they get older, man, they are all going to have body pain. It'd be really interesting to see if Teal'c starts to experience that and what he thinks of the situation. I assume the humans expect it to some degree (well, maybe not Daniel. I could see him being really cavalier about probably being thrown into a sarcophogus someday and it'll be fine.)
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Date: 2006-09-28 03:48 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-09-28 05:04 pm (UTC)I would love to read really human medical problems with our Heroes. I am ridiculously in love with Daniel having appendicitis and Jack getting sidelined for knee injuries (both of which were rl conditions the actors had and couldn't act like they didn't.) I mean, seriously. Back pain! It's so scaaaary. Especially when you realize how much it hurts and how much it limits you.
Thanks for commenting!
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Date: 2006-09-29 03:22 am (UTC)Someone needs to write that back pain fic! Think of the possibilities!
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Date: 2006-09-28 04:47 pm (UTC)I'm sure I could find this out from my books (hey - I'm a health librarian - how hard could it be?!;)) but...
Drug doses... if you give two people the exact same dose, it will have different effects as regard their height/weight/gender, won't it?
So, for example... a bad person gives both Daniel and Sam the same dose of knock-out drugs... Daniel's system will process faster than Sam's... Right?
Or not?
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Date: 2006-09-28 05:00 pm (UTC)However, if you're trying to knock someone out, unless you're using a tricky anesthesia, you have more wiggle room than if you're trying to help them stay comfortable but completely lucid.
There's also the canonical problem of Sam's naquadah in her body. The episode we love to hate, with the Zatarcs, showed Janet having to up the amount of drugs she was giving Sam to knock her out considerably. Also the one where Adrian Conrad kidnapped her, the kidnappers said they'd given her enough drugs to knock out an elephant and she was still fighting it.
But anyway, in terms of field work, I believe they have certain drugs in easily administered doses, so you might need two doses for a bigger person and only one for, say, Janet.
OMG I just saw your icon. *snorts*/*blushes prettily*
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Date: 2006-09-28 06:53 pm (UTC)Yes, well, you've got the letters now to prove it!:D
Thanks for the intel... is it being naughty to admit that it's actually for an NCIS fic rather than a SG-1 fic? The two characters I'm thinking of are about the same dimensions... I just need enough to get them into the situation... that is all!
Oh yes, New Doctor Who tomorrow on Skiffy - with gorgeous new Doctor too. J'adore #9 always but #10 is a wonderful laddie too;)
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Date: 2006-09-28 08:22 pm (UTC)What will I doooooo? Download after I get back from traveling, most likely.
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