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Farscape Season 2

Mind the Baby 2.01

I'm.... a little confused. I really expected them to pick up right where they left off, and maybe do a 'previously on FARSCAPE' but maybe it's that other show that assumes you don't remember your canon. D'Argo is freaked, man. And... why does he look different. Hair cut? And I think I missed why Zhaan is tripping here.

Man, they just jump right in, don't they? AERYN went to TALYN??? Is she worried about the baby or what? Um, that was looped badly. Why did they loop that? D'Argo got a haircut. Aeryn is PMSing, or something. Wow. Arguing. Cool.

AAAAAaaiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!!! Scorpy, why do you have lightsticks in your BRAINS? *squick*

Talyn wants his Mommy. Mmmm. Wow, bad looping. Guys.... c'mon. Although I'm really entertained by how dirty Aeryn looks.

Hahahaha paper-rock-scissors. Hahahahaha "Just the once"! HA. Man, this is the best 'ship I've ever seen canonically written. AH big! tongue! thing! what? What did D'Argo just hit Aeryn with? And WHAT has John been smoking, because he's a little off his rocker. Maybe really off his rocker. Zhaan maybe more so. Um.

"I love you." *glee*

Crais looks a little better groomed than he did at the end of last season. And you know, I already find him more interesting than I did the entire first season.

Cuddly cuddly 'ship love. I cannot believe I'm shipping a het pairing, y'all. *boggle*

Vitas Mortis. 2.02

Okay... Zhaan has nice jewelry, John is dressed in black leather, always a plus, and D'Argo is in a mumu. Or a kimono. Right.

John? Ease off the hair gel, buddy. And... I gotta say this ep is not holding my attention very well. Except for the D'Argo/Chiana subtext, which is very sweet.

*gack* Okay... Luxan sex. *meep*

Oh, Pilot is getting old. That's cool. *is interested again* Whoops, it's the end of the show. Wierd that D'Argo was laying the weird spritual woman while Chiana was frozen to Moya while doing his laundry. Wonder if he'd have had as great a moral quandry if he realized Chi was also included in the bargain? Huh.

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Do not resist. the John/Aeryn will have you in the end. It is the angsty het pairing to beat all angsty pairings.

And D'Argo got a suntan being out in space while the moon burned.

Vitas Mortis is terrible; Mind the Baby is cool and has the cuddling scene that everyone loves. Although VM does introduce John's crazy S2 hair and the PK coat, so.

And the gloves!! It introduces the gloves and the overreaction:) How can you not love that!! And dude, we get Aeryn in all leather as well!! Hee:)

Wait, so *the* redeeming quality of VM is fashion? Is that what you're telling me? LOLLLLLLLLLL.... Honestly, it really didn't hold my attention, except for the coat, and the hair, and the outfits, really, so... I guess at least I agree with the general fandom opinion? Yay? LOL.

I give up. John/Aeryn for eva. Or until I ship someone else as a secondary pairing.

Hee - I don't dislike VM, I just find it sort of dull. There are moments I love, but that's true of every episode:) I have very little critical judgment in that matter. Although I'm always happy for D'Argo to get some because I adore D'Argo:)

*g* Far be it from me to begrudge the man a little nookie. I'm just saying, Chiana was doing his WASHING, lol. Hee! I sort of expect to eventually love everything, actually. I'm headed right down that complete adoration path. *g*

I love Chiana doing the washing and refusing to do Aeryn's (because I think it's as much about whose wash she won't do as any real gesture of goodwill:). And I love the scene when Aeryn goes to get the grenade's and Crichton knocks on the frozen fluid and says, "With Aeryn, you never know."

Hee! The "I'll just go now..." as D'Argo and the priestess woman were making eyes at each other was adorable too.

It's one of things I love about this show - there're always great moments, things you think are throwaways (and may be) that turn into plot points, turn out to mean something:) Not always, but often enough that it feels like a reward for being involved.

John/Aeryn for eva. Or until I ship someone else as a secondary pairing.

There are many and tasty possible secondary pairings - canon and non-canon and almost-canon and incredibly-blatant-subtext, all genders, orientations and levels of leather fetishism catered for.

This show is generous with the subtext, unafraid of the slash, and rewards multi-shipping and polymorphous perversity.

This is probably why, as I've mentioned before, the fandom has been amazingly free from pairing wars (not that we don't have plenty of other forms of crazy, just not that particular one).

Speaking of pairing wars, aren't we supposed to be fighting the worlds smallest pairing war against the Daniel/Cameron slashers? Huh.

You have to love a show that manages to create believable canon relationships AND doesn't shirk the multiflavored subtext. That's just great respect for the viewers, I think.

Oh, man. That is like every reaction to these two episodes EVER. *g*

And seriously: John/Aeryn is the het pairing that even slashers love. It was true during first run, it will be true in repeats and on DVD. *shrug&

Hee! I think that's kind of grand! I would really hate if somehow my reactions weren't up to fandom par--you'd all hate me. *g* It's fun to get these reactions from everybody after I watch the eps for the first time.

And... why does he look different. Hair cut?

Re-vamped prosthetics during the season break *g*.

And I think I missed why Zhaan is tripping here.

No, you didn't - they just won't bother telling you until later.

AH big! tongue! thing! what? What did D'Argo just hit Aeryn with?

*snerks* You haven't seen him do the tongue thing before? He has done it a fair few times from the premiere onwards.

And WHAT has John been smoking, because he's a little off his rocker. Maybe really off his rocker.

*carefully says nothing*

I cannot believe I'm shipping a het pairing, y'all. *boggle*

This fandom is full of people traumatized by the fact that they're actually shipping canon het. Console yourself with the fact that at least it's genderfucked and interspecies.

And yup - VM is fairly un-interesting. For some reason, the early eps in each season are often pretty erratic, before they discover where the season's going and things all come together, and then all sorts of minor details magically come together and turn out to mean something.

No, you didn't - they just won't bother telling you until later.

I wonder if they haven't hinted about this in the commentaries or sommat. I have an idea...

*carefully says nothing*

*Pthwupt* I already know anyway. Neener. *g*

Console yourself with the fact that at least it's genderfucked and interspecies.

Well, I guess that's something. *is consoled*

*Pthwupt* I already know anyway. Neener. *g*

Well, if you know, enjoy watching it play out, because they do it so brilliantly *g*.

heh heh heh, why yes scorpius is a bit squicky. :)

Lightsticks! I've totally made those in O Chem lab. *shivers* Not good for heads. And where is his brain, then? *lip wibbles*

It's not the leather, not the intermittant low voice, not the lipstick, it's the LIGHTSTICKS IN THE BRAIN that squicks me. *mumbles something about anatomy and physiology not mixing with OChem lab products*

heh heh heh....but i promise you....as you watch the series scorpius' choice will become clear to you. ;)

recommending the special farscape-scifi-handwave-of-fun. *veg*

Plus, you will come to love Dave Elsey and his merry band of prosthetic-making lunatics.

(Oscar-nominated, wa-hey!)

I already love the props clearly bought at the local toy store and painted silver. *glee*

Although they must have some scientist on board because they used a pipetteman earlier to cure Aeryn's blood-spitting nerve damage problem, and that's a fairly specific scientific tool.

One of the early commentaries ( I think for I, ET, not entirely sure) talks about the props, how funny and plastic and slightly pornographic many of them were:) And how they had to make up what to do with them. It's impossible to watch early scenes with some of the props after hearing the commentary if you want to maintain any degree of suspension of disbelief:)

Yup, "I, ET", with the "chlorium detector" - IIRC, the actors decided it was probably actually called the PleasureVibe 2000, and then nobody wanted to touch it because they didn't know where it'd been.

(And I think it was FrooniumRicky who produced, "But nobody can resist the vibrator!" while doing live ep commentary at a con. Clearly, it's a recurring motif .... )

Some of Dave Elsey's gang have also spoken eloquently about the looks you get when you buy insanely vast quantities of KY Jelly at once.

very true, and very well said. *bg*

I cannot believe I'm shipping a het pairing, y'all. *boggle*

Many a slasher has said the exact same thing. But to me, it proves it's not the gender (or species), it's the lurve. ;)

Well, actually, I like to consider myself an open-minded slasher, who ships the secondary and poly pairings. I've even *written* Sam/Daniel, but they aren't canon, is the difference, I think.

Amazing. And I love knowing that people everywhere are still invested in this pairing seasons and a miniseries later, feels like a green light to fall hard. *luuuuurves teh canon het ship*

Well, actually, I like to consider myself an open-minded slasher, who ships the secondary and poly pairings. I've even *written* Sam/Daniel, but they aren't canon, is the difference, I think.

Canon can make a big difference to me. I think one reason I like slash so much (besides the obvious "one man hot, two men hotter" concept) is because I don't have to depend on canon at all.

Some shippers feel like if their pairing is even mentioned in canon, then Their Love Is True 4Evah and they start depending on canon to validate their pairing choice. Sometimes, it doesn't work out how they'd like, with the ever changing nature of TV. Actors leave. Storylines change. Ships die. New ships are born.

With slashers, we don't need to steenkin' canon. ;)

Amazing. And I love knowing that people everywhere are still invested in this pairing seasons and a miniseries later, feels like a green light to fall hard. *luuuuurves teh canon het ship*

The thing that really tells you how much I'm into this pairing is that I begin to ship for them after I'd discovered slash. I usually don't "see" ship now unless they hit me over the head with it, because I'm too busy looking for slashy subtext to notice.

Another point in its' favor is that Aeryn was never dumbed down or made The Girl by the writers or the actress.

Another point in its' favor is that Aeryn was never dumbed down or made The Girl by the writers or the actress.

Or the 'ship? Can I tell you how much I'm loving Claudia Black now? Not just Aeryn? It's going to spill over into Vala, I bet.

You're right about the canon stuff, and the occasional entitlement issues of canon 'shippers, but I'm not really seeing that in Farscape.

You're right about the canon stuff, and the occasional entitlement issues of canon 'shippers, but I'm not really seeing that in Farscape

Yeah ... Hmm, speculating about reasons:

a) TPTB let the chemistry lead - they've said that they wrote the initial set-up with a possible J/A relationship in mind, but it was the OMFG chemistry between BB and CB onscreen that led them to make it such a major part of the show. So it's hard for anyone to argue with the existence of the J/A - there are people who are more interested in or want more time for other pairings, or think they're not good for each other, but there isn't really room for argument about the fact that it's there.

b) TPTB went for it unreservedly. You know, John and Aeryn had kissed by halfway through season 1 and had sex by 2/3 of the way through it. And after that, they fight and angst and break up and have more sex and fight again, but there's no messing around with the fact that yeah, they both want each other. The cards are on the table.

So there isn't the kind of insecurity for the shippers that you have with relationships like Sam/Jack (or Mulder/Scully), where TPTB are pushing it heavily as the "canon" ship, but at the same time they aren't willing to risk going beyond hints and teasing - they keep giving with one hand and taking away with the other. I think that creates some of the entitlement, because it sends some people into "You toy with us for so long, you OWE US the Sam/Jack white wedding with Teal'c as a flower girl" mode. Being messed with makes for craziness and exaggerated entitlement issues.

Plus:

c) They never set up J/A in competition with other relationships, whether those are potential ships, friendships, and/or potential slash pairings. The show always gives weight to their other connections. So it's not a zero-sum game.

I think that creates some of the entitlement, because it sends some people into "You toy with us for so long, you OWE US the Sam/Jack white wedding with Teal'c as a flower girl" mode.

I find it ironic that many of the fans who were constantly being told that Sam/Jack was going to happen, just you wait and see, by a member of TPTB were the ones chanting "Trust TPTB" (especially when Jonas was on the show) and they're now the ones who're griping over how bad the show is and sniping at the new characters. Amazing how priorities change, isn't it?

In one sense, I kind of feel sorry for them, because they were led down the garden path. But then they let themselves be led, so they have to take some responsibility too.

[pondering Teal'c as a flower girl] ::ded from giggles::

They never set up J/A in competition with other relationships, whether those are potential ships, friendships, and/or potential slash pairings.

That's my number one complaint with many shows that insist on a romantic pairing -- neither of them can have friends, even the ones they had before they met. In Stargate, Jack and Daniel were the characters brought from the movie, but once TPTB decided to go down the S/J route, we saw Jack and Daniel become more like strangers who just happened to work together than people who'd been to hell and back together.

[pondering Teal'c as a flower girl] ::ded from giggles::

"They never set up J/A in competition with other relationships, whether those are potential ships, friendships, and/or potential slash pairings."

That's my number one complaint with many shows that insist on a romantic pairing -- neither of them can have friends, even the ones they had before they met. In Stargate, Jack and Daniel were the characters brought from the movie, but once TPTB decided to go down the S/J route, we saw Jack and Daniel become more like strangers who just happened to work together than people who'd been to hell and back together.

Wot she said.

Or the 'ship? Can I tell you how much I'm loving Claudia Black now? Not just Aeryn? It's going to spill over into Vala, I bet.

For me, it already has. I don't think any other actor could have pulled off the character of Vala. It's sort of like how having anyone but Hewlett in the role of Dr. McKay would not have worked.

You're right about the canon stuff, and the occasional entitlement issues of canon 'shippers, but I'm not really seeing that in Farscape.

I think most shippers are probably used to expecting it to be given to them, just because it always had been. But for long running shows, a happy couple is a boring couple, so... you get fan wars.

I've not been heavy into Farscape specific forums, but the fans I have talked to seem very open to just about anything, just like the show. ;)

I was pretty heavily involved with various Farscape forums, before discovering LJ (and getting post-campaign burn-out for a while and getting more involved in vidding). And yup, never saw a pairing war, and I got involved pretty early on (while s2 was first airing in the US). The most I've seen is a few people complaining that they'd like more time spent on their pairing of choice, but it didn't get anywhere near the warfare stage.

If anything, people seemed to divide into loose groups more on the basis of "dark" versus "fluffy" fic, not pairings, and even then it was perfectly friendly.

I think

robynbender remembers some very early issues with a couple of sites being weird about slash, and about NC-17 fics in general, but that faded out very quickly - I missed all of that. I think the canon Muppet BDSM and suchlike probably chased out anyone who was likely to be easily alarmed *g*.

And the fandom was probably also shaped by being pretty small, and having Skiffy as a convenient target for any free-floating anger around. So it'll be interesting to see if/how that changes as more people discover the show in syndication and on DVD.

But it made for what I'm now realizing was a very atypical fandom experience in a lot of ways.

I think the canon Muppet BDSM and suchlike probably chased out anyone who was likely to be easily alarmed *g*.

WARN A GIRL! *hyperventilates a little bit* Even those not easily alarmed could stand a little advance notice when you're gonna say something like that. *shakes off image*

Um, is Robyn the one who wrote the Talyn series I get to read once I've seen season 2?

Season 3. You've gotta see S3 first. Then you can read Robyn's stuff:)

*grumbles and bumps more Farscape to the front of the Neflix queue*

But when you've seen "Out of Their Minds" in season 2, then you can read

rubberneck's "Scientist, Astronaut and Nymphomaniac".

(And there should be some trading card porn she can read now, right, Thea?)

WARN A GIRL! *hyperventilates a little bit* Even those not easily alarmed could stand a little advance notice when you're gonna say something like that. *shakes off image*

Hey, I thought you knew all these things .... *vbeg*

Also, how do I warn for being about to say "Muppet BDSM", without actually saying "Muppet BDSM"?

I think the canon Muppet BDSM and suchlike probably chased out anyone who was likely to be easily alarmed *g*.

BWAH! OMG, so true!

Seems like the only real wars I remember were the ones where people were fighting over campaign credit, but that was all *handwaves* metatextual stuff anyway.

(Before Leviathan, most of the big archives didn't accept slash, so slash got posted on its own archives. But I don't ever remember that being a problem; it was more a matter of it just not being the archivist's cup of tea. This was before the days of Automated Archive, so the siteowners were posting - and in some cases, formatting - all the stories themselves.)

Seems like the only real wars I remember were the ones where people were fighting over campaign credit, but that was all *handwaves* metatextual stuff anyway.

Yup, and that was more generic fandom in-fighting stuff - and actually, pretty par for the course with any sort of campaigning, I think. And there was obviously all the usual "who hangs out with who" and "who gets credit for what" and "OMG X is such a BNF, s/he thinks s/he is so important, s/he is so MEAN" type stuff. Human group behaviour. But it generally didn't revolve around the content of the show.

But I don't ever remember that being a problem; it was more a matter of it just not being the archivist's cup of tea.

Ah, right - before my time :).

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